Renault Laguna 3 van bouwjaar 2010 Carminat problem time stamp

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Ineens geen tijdsindicatie meer. Wel 9 satelieten ontvangst. Tijd is aan te passen/synchroniseren maar houd het niet vast.
West Europa versie 11.65
alles opnieuw geinstalleerd en zelfs Quickfix verwijderd en opnieuw erop.
accu los gehad
oude kaart erin 10.02 maar ook daar zelfde probleem dat ik de tijd wel kan aanpassen /synchroniseren maar wil deze wijziging niet vasthouden.
op display --:--
Antenne los gehad maar geen oxidatie
GPS route planning werkt gewoon alleen aankomsttijden --:--

zijn er op middenconsole knoppen die ik gelijktijdig moet indrukken voor reset? ( verborgen gaget)?

hoop op oplossing
 
Ik heb overal al gezocht naar oplossingen maar niet gevonden
 
Translate UK Suddenly no time stamp. Just --:-- only.
I have with 9 satelites connection.
but by chanching time in menu /Synchronisation the change will not hold and result still --:--.
I update Europe to 11.50 no result
I chanch card to West Europe 11.65 no result
I remove Quickfix gps en reinstalled but no result
I disconnected the battery voor 30 min, but no result

GPS is working correct bit time of arrival --:--
I check the antenne, no corrosion at all
Even i put the old card 10.05 but still same problem

Is there a possebility on the buttons centerconsole - 2 buton push in 30 sec?

GPS route is working but the arrivaltime --:-- even if i switch between AM/PM time stamp. no results
 
Carminat Live or not?

If it's Carminat Live, is your SIM card still active?

An important update to fix the WNRO bug on Carminat TomTom systems was supposed to be released before April 19, 2026.
The last one was released in April 2019.

I think you should contact TomTom support or Renault.
 
At the moment there is no solution for this. This issue is under investigation. I have added a link to your post to our internal ticket.
 
thanx for reply and i have to wait for the solution.
The version of Carminat is not the live version and the simcard is working accept the time setting
 
I have noticed on Lagunaforum.nl there are more users with same problem
 
I can collaborate that I'm experiencing the same issue.

Ironically, I can access the time settings through the Carminat menu and set the clock there—but it won’t actually save anything I enter. As soon as I confirm the time, it just takes me back to the settings menu, and the clock still shows --:--. If I open the time settings again, it’s reset to 00:00.
There’s also a “synchronize” option using the button at the top left of the center console. When it has enough satellites, it works perfectly and retrieves the correct time—but that doesn’t get saved either.
 
In my opinion, the problem might stem from the shutdown of 2G/3G mobile networks? Or maybe not.

The link is for R-Link, but Carminat works the same way.

 
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As far as I know the TomTom Carminat in Laguna 3 isn't 'live'. In other words, doesn't use 2G or 3G. Besides that both TS and I live in the Netherlands. 2G will be active until at least 2027.
 
The Carminat can only use a 2G SIM card.

Many portable GPS devices have had their SIM cards deactivated in certain countries, even though 2G is still available.
 
Logically, the clock updates via a connection with satellites, so it should not need a SIM card for the update.
 
Ik heb hetzelfde probleem bij een Renault Megane met Carminat (bouwjaar 2010).
Wel 9 satelieten, wel via instellingen tijd synchoniseren, maar geen datum en bij de klok alleen --:--
Accu losgekoppeld gehad, geupdate via TOMTOM-home, maar niets werkt.
Graag hoor ik als er een oplossing is...

I have the same problem with a Renault Megane with Carminat (model year 2010). It shows 9 satellites and allows time synchronization via the settings, but there is no date and the clock only shows --:--. I have disconnected the battery and updated via TomTom Home, but nothing works. I would appreciate hearing if there is a solution.
 
Ik heb hetzelfde probleem bij een Renault Megane met Carminat (bouwjaar 2010).
Wel 9 satelieten, wel via instellingen tijd synchoniseren, maar geen datum en bij de klok alleen --:--
Accu losgekoppeld gehad, geupdate via TOMTOM-home, maar niets werkt.
Graag hoor ik als er een oplossing is...

I have the same problem with a Renault Megane with Carminat (model year 2010). It shows 9 satellites and allows time synchronization via the settings, but there is no date and the clock only shows --:--. I have disconnected the battery and updated via TomTom Home, but nothing works. I would appreciate hearing if there is a solution.
Same here too - the issue only started on Saturday.
 
This is a known problem at TomTom. For Carminat; I contact them and there is a ticket for. refernce nr #3593394. But the ticket goes on person. You have to login with TomTom account go to support - https://help.tomtom.com - and a long AI helpdesk answers but stick on it and ask for personelcontact then you get een mailadress where you can notifi the problem - Time still --:-- and isnt to change by menu. (the changes are not hold on confiming) When everbody logs the priority will go up i think
 
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I have just registered, and eventually spoke to an advisor.
This is what he said to me...

"
We are aware of the impact this may have caused and assure you that our technicians are working on a solution as quickly as possible. This requires comprehensive analysis and extensive testing before a solution is provided to you.

I would like to inform you that if there are any updates or changes to this functionality in the future, we will ensure they are communicated through our regular updates or release notes."
 
Hi all,
After extensive reverse engineering (together with AI, Claude) of the PNDNavigator binary on the Carminat TomTom SD card, I've found the root cause of the --:-- clock issue that many users are experiencing since around 19-20 April 2026, and more importantly, a fix.

What's happening - the root cause
The Carminat TomTom uses a SiRF Star III GPS chip (GSW3.2.4TT_3.1.00.12-C35B1.02) that stores the GPS week number in a 10-bit field, which can only count up to 1024 weeks before rolling over to zero. Around 19-20 April 2026, we crossed GPS week 2415. This is exactly 1024 weeks after GPS week 1391, which corresponds to 6 September 2006.
This means the chip's 10-bit counter has overflowed once, and the chip now thinks the date is somewhere in September 2006 — not the classic 1024-week rollover (that won't happen until November 2038), but rather the chip losing track by exactly one full 1024-week cycle.
We can confirm this because when the loopdir folder was deleted from the SD card during testing, the system recreated it with a timestamp of 6 September 2006 — exactly what the GPS chip was reporting as the current date at that moment.

Why the clock shows --:--
Through reverse engineering the PNDNavigator ARM binary using Ghidra, I found the function CClock::DoCurrentDateTime. This function retrieves the current date and time and returns it to the clock display. It contains a hard-coded year threshold check:


c if (year < 2007) { // return invalid / show --:-- }

Because the GPS chip reports a year of 2006, this check fails and the clock display always shows --:--. The navigation itself continues to work because position fixing doesn't rely on the absolute date.

The fix
The fix is to lower the year threshold from 2006 to 1977 (before the GPS epoch of January 1980), so the software accepts any year the chip reports — including 2006.
On cards where PNDNavigator is a standalone file on the SD card (this applies to cards that were modified using the FastActivate tool):
  1. Make a backup of PNDNavigator on your SD card first
  2. Find the following bytes at offset 0x402928 in the file:

d6 07 00 00
  1. Replace with:

b9 07 00 00

On Mac, using Python:

python data = bytearray(open('/Volumes/TOMTOMDISK/PNDNavigator','rb').read()) file_offset = 0x402928 assert data[file_offset:file_offset+4] == bytes([0xd6, 0x07, 0x00, 0x00]) open('/Volumes/TOMTOMDISK/PNDNavigator_backup','wb').write(bytes(data)) data[file_offset] = 0xb9 data[file_offset+1] = 0x07 open('/Volumes/TOMTOMDISK/PNDNavigator','wb').write(bytes(data)) print('Done!')

On Windows, using a hex editor like HxD:
  • Open PNDNavigator
  • Go to offset 402928 (hex)
  • Verify you see D6 07 00 00
  • Replace with B9 07 00 00
  • Save
Important notes
  • This fix applies to modified/unlocked SD cards where PNDNavigator exists as a standalone file
  • On original unmodified cards, PNDNavigator is embedded inside loopdir/loopback.ex3 (a Linux ext3 filesystem image) — patching that requires Linux tools to mount the filesystem and is more complex
  • The navigation itself continues to work correctly even without this fix — only the clock display is affected
  • The fix has been tested and confirmed working on a Renault Laguna with Carminat TomTom firmware version 8.843
Additional findings
We also patched the ephemeris files (packedephemeris.ee, ee_meta.tlv, ee_meta.txt) to correct their timestamps. While this did not fix the clock display by itself, it may help with GPS fix acquisition time.
 
Thanks a lot MacPat
Your python fix worked fine on my side.
I didn't find ephemeris files (packedephemeris.ee, ee_meta.tlv, ee_meta.txt) on the SdCard, but everything works fine without that.
Thanks again.
 

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